Discutii generale Noul Jazz (2008 - 2015 )

[maruta Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close maruta]

Delphi, crezi ca o sa-i intereseze pe cei de la HTR de parerile celor de pe forum?

[Delphi Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Delphi]

Nu cred ca ii intreseaza, am vrut doar sa-l rog sa verifice daca observatiile mele referitoare la Jazz sunt corecte si/sau complete. Cred sincer ca orice discutie cu HTRO e o pierdere de vreme.

[dics Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dics]

Dics, o sa te rog sa verifici lista mea de observatii din pagina anterioara cand mergi la lansare.

Sigur, sunt si eu extrem de curios
PS. Am o singura problema, maine dupa-amiaza e posibil sa merg cu crocodilul sa-i schimb tamponul de la motor si daca totul merge bine o sa vin pe centura pana la popesti-leordeni. Daca nu merge bine...

[tokyodream Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tokyodream]

De ce sunteti rai, la mine in mesaj scria : Hai sa fim prima data impreuna si sa ne pregatim pentru a doua lansare din anul asta...........Insight ! Muzica, masini, conversatii 1-2 ore.........
Eu zic ca au facut un pas spre noi

[Delphi Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Delphi]

Eu nu sunt deloc rau, sunt doar realist (cateodata si rautacios ). In rest, vorbe pot spune si eu.

[ramm omu cu warnu' Find all posts View Profile Close ramm]

Vreau si eu invitatia aia ptr maine (eu am sters mailul la gramada ). Daca reusesc sa ma intorc in bucale la timp vin si eu.

LE: am facut rost, mersi Vale46

[amidamaru Guest Find all posts View Profile Close amidamaru]

Nu stiu cat de on topic este dar astazi m-am uitat pe mai multe site-uri din US si va pot spune ca este o mega nebunie cu noul jazz Fit acolo..

Au scos tot felul de gadget-uri pentru masina asta....praguri luminate, beculete pentru portiere, etc...e nebunie mare.

[ramm omu cu warnu' Find all posts View Profile Close ramm]

Pei acolo, probabil, vor sa si vanda masina asta...

[hondatu Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close hondatu]

Deci din corespondenta mea avuta cu HTRO am fost rugat sa trimit la aceasta lansare si alti membrii "ai familiei Honda" nu numai pe cei ce au invitatii.
Asa ca "Distractie placuta tuturor, invitati oficial sau nu"!^

Cat priveste i-DSI am trantit si eu (marele specialist in mecanica.....) o traducere pe romaneste:

intelligent-Dual&Sequential Ignition - Aprinderea Dubla Secventiala Inteligenta

Acest nou tip de motor aparut pe piata spre mijlocul anului 2001 odata cu lansarea modelului JAZZ, nu este altceva decat o noua solutie mai inteligenta si mai avansata a ceea ce inseamna un motor de mic litraj cu o singura axa cu came si doua supape pe cilindru.
Pentru un proces de ardere mai eficient la aceasta clasa de motoare, specialistii Honda au ales varianta montarii a cate doua bujii pe cilindru, acestea putand functiona simultan (aceasta fiind o calitate in plus fata de celebrele motoarele de gen ale unor constructori precum Alfa Romeo sau Mercedes-Benz) sau independent, in functie de sarcina motorului la momentul dat. Cele doua bujii sant pozitionate oblic pentru a accelera propagarea combustibilului in camera de ardere, lungimea frontului de flacara fiind redusa si compresia fiind ridicata, se obtine o ardere mai eficienta cu un minim de combustibil.
Intre timp, acest tip de motorizare mai este disponibil si pe modelele FIT ARIA, MOBILIO si CIVIC, iar alaturi de o turbo-suflanta pe modelul LIFE a IV-a generatie.

[Delphi Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Delphi]

Eu sunt curios de ce au renuntat la tehnologia i-DSI...

Dar de ce au renuntat la CVT?

Uite o explicatie:

In sfarsit am avut ocazia sa stau de vorba (telefonic) cu cineva de la Honda Service sa-mi explice de ce nu s-a mai mers pe motoarele de tip i-DSI si CVT, iar motivele par destul de simple:
- atat un motor i-DSI cat si o cutie de tip CVT sunt mai grele si mai sofisticate in productie fata de noile aparute pe actulul model SOHC VTEC si i-SHIFT.
- noile aparute sunt mai economice din start plus ca sunt mai usoare, duc definitiv la o economie substantiala.
- costurile sunt si ele un motiv si Honda e bucuroasa ca in sfarsit la 20 de ani de la intrarea pe piata a tehnologiei VTEC, pot oferi un asemenea motor si pe mezinul familiei (de cucerit mai fiind doar clasa micro de pe piata nipona, in cazul in care asa ceva e posibil dpdv tehnic).

[maruta Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close maruta]

Reducerea greutatii masinii si a costurilor pare o explicatie foarte logica.
Sa vedem insa daca asta se va traduce si intrun consum mai scazut si un pret mai mic.
Cu pretul cred ca ne-am lamurit, asa cum zicea si dics masina este mai ieftina pentru ei nu pentru noi.

[Delphi Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Delphi]

Ei dadeau la noul Jazz niste consumuri foarte apropiate de vechiul, cu toata cresterea de putere, care e totusi destul de importanta.

[Achim Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Achim]

Reportaj Jalopnik.com despre Honda Fit Sport

Part One

We've already driven the 2009 Honda Fit. The 2009 Honda Fit Sport promises to combine utility and fun into a small, cheap, appealing package. Can it deliver?



One of the things we’re constantly advocating here on Jalopnik is simple, well-engineered cars that are both fun to drive and have high utility. Honda has traditionally been a stalwart of those values, delivering cars that did everything we wanted and needed without frills and complication. Sadly, we found the 2008 Honda Accord did just the opposite. Like the new Accord, the 2009 the Honda Fit is also bigger and heavier. Also like the Accord, we're wondering whether it's lost its fundamental rightness in the pursuit of an impressive spec sheet.

The original Fit went on sale in the US in 2006. Driving the 2007 Honda Fit Sport, Mike Bumbeck reported, “The Honda Fit is a truly fun-to-drive subcompact econobox with some innovative features and a great deal of character.” That car developed a cult following not just for its cute and cuddly looks, but for the extremely capacious interior, frugal fuel economy and, most importantly its fun drive.

For 2009, the Fit is a little heavier (2,661 Lbs to 2,551), a little longer (161.6” to 157.4) and a little more powerful (117 HP to 105. But, it’s not any less economical. In fact, at 30 MPG combined, it’s one up on the outgoing model. Most noticeably, it now looks like a jellybean.

The Fit has developed enough of a reputation that, when we jumped into the new model to rush to La Guardia, motorcycle designer JT Nesbitt recognized the car and looked forward to riding in it. That feeling lasted as we loaded it up with three six-foot plus biker badasses, a week’s worth of winter luggage and hit the road at 6pm on a snowy weeknight with only an hour to go to catch a departing flight.

Once we got going, it was a different story. With a redline bumped up from 6,300 to 6,800 RPM and a ready willingness to kick down from the paddle shifters (we were sadly lumped with an automatic transmission) the Fit makes you very aware that its engine is working hard to deliver its 9-second 0-60 time. Heading out of Greenpoint and up the challenging off-road course that doubles as the Brooklyn Queens Expressway I was using every one of those revs to push the car hard through traffic. Realizing that JT had stopped asking questions about the car I looked over to seem him white knuckled and wide-eyed, fearing for his life not on a land speed record motorcycle, but a friendly-looking hatchback.

The 2009 Fit is every bit as good to drive as its predecessor, rewarding drivers for finding the hidden depths that lie behind the cushy ride and propensity for body roll. Smaller than most other cars on the road, you cannot only exploit gaps in traffic, but the width of the road itself, shifting position in corners for added-visibility and therefore speed. The fit is the first fun-to-drive car I’ve been able to do that in since I owned my last E30.

Arriving home later that night the Fit’s tiny dimensions helped again. Instead of playing the usual New York game of hunting for parking spots for 20 minutes or more, I was able to squeeze into a tiny space right outside of my apartment. It may not be the fastest, nor best looking vehicle on sale, but at just $14,750 it offers a better driving experience than many cars that cost twice as much and has the interior space of cars twice the size. In short, it’s exactly the kind of simple, well-engineered, fun-to-drive, practical affordable car we’ve been asking for.



Part Two

Yesterday, we were impressed by how well the 2009 Honda Fit Sport, well, fit. Let's break it down and try to figure out why.



Exterior Design: ***
The Fit’s biggest problem is it looks, at best, like a jellybean. At worst, like a minivan. Having said that, the exterior is a means to an end. That end? Space, and lots of it in a tiny package. Vision is also excellent through the large glasshouse.

Interior Design: *****
The Fit’s defining characteristic. If ever the term “Tardis-like” applied to a car, it’s this one. There’s room for four adults and their luggage or, start folding seats, and you can carry tall objects, long objects, big objects, small objects (lots of them), awkwardly shaped objects or just about anything really. While you’re not going to mistake this interior for that of an Audi, all the materials are robust, the controls intuitive and the quality high.

Acceleration: ****
0-to-60 takes just 9 seconds. In a 30 MPG subcompact that looks like a jellybean, equipped with an autobox. That’s as fast Mk 2 Golf GTI 8V. Sure, you have to rev the bejesus out of the engine, but doing so is very enjoyable. Use the gearbox and, even at highway speeds, you'll never feel underpowered.

Braking: ***
Competent and unremarkable; the front disc, rear drum setup is more than enough to haul the lightweight Fit to a stop quickly and easily.

Ride: ****
The long wheelbase to overall vehicle size ratio helped the Fit handle New York’s permanent road construction admirably, but ultimately it feels unsettled over the really rough stuff.

Handling: ****
Initially a little soft for our tastes, the Fit is actually extremely capable, communicative and rewarding. Sure it’s a front wheel drive economy car, but the fundamental rightness of the Fit’s chassis elevates it above most cars on the road, not just its category.

Gearbox: ***
We got lumped with the autobox version (a 5-speed is standard), but equipped with paddles it was fun to use, responsive and quick to shift.

Audio: ***
Basic, but functional, there’s an iPod connector in the top glove box.

Toys: ***
We had the specced-up version with Satnav. That system works well, but that's all there is to play with. Aside from the folding rear seats, which are quick, easy and effective.

Value: ****
Everything we need and just about everything we want in a car for a $16,260 starting price (Fit Sport, the Fit starts at $14,750). We’d take one of these over the far more expensive Mini and spend the savings packing the rear full of Ikea furniture. The Fit is actually several thousand dollars more expensive than the far less practical Toyota Yaris or Nissan Versa, but we actually want a Fit and it’s the cheapest car we can say that about.

Overall: ****
The Fit Sport is good to drive, exceptionally practical, frugal and affordable. It’s the kind of simple, well-engineered vehicle that Honda built its reputation on and would do well to emulate across the rest of its current range. We’ve recommended that friends and family purchase a Fit more than any other vehicle on sale not just because it’s the kind of car that can fit (pun!) into many different lifestyles and fulfill most people’s needs, but also because they’ll enjoy owning it. We would.



Part three

Why you should buy the 2009 Honda Fit Sport:
You plan on buying a small, practical car not because you have to, but because you want to. You realize that, unless you have three kids, a larger vehicle is just an extravagance. You need a car that can do everything and you’re on a budget. You need a high cup holder to vehicle size ratio; the Fit is small and has 10.

Why you shouldn’t buy this car:
This is America dammit, hatchbacks are for Rainbow-wearing Euro Commie Terrorists. Your active lifestyle — involving wind surfing, mountain biking, heavy construction work and modeling for SUV ads — necessitates the purchase of a yellow Hummer H3T. You think a) cars impress women and b) those women prefer something a bit manlier. You can only afford one car and you need that car to be a sportscar.

Suitability Parameters:
Speed Merchants: No
Fashion Victims: No
Treehuggers: No
Mack Daddies: No
Tuner Crowd: No
Hairdressers: No
Penny Pinchers: Yes
Euro Snobs: No
Working Stiffs: No
Technogeeks: No
Poseurs: No
Soccer Moms: No
Nascar Dads: No
Golfing Grandparents: Yes
Very Serious Businessmen: No
Sheiklets: No

Also Consider:
• Toyota Yaris
• Nissan Versa
• Suzuki SX4
• Hyundai Accent
• Mazda5

Vitals:
• Manufacturer: Honda
• Model: Fit Sport
• Model year: 2009
• Base Price: $16,360
• Price as Tested: $18,960
• Engine type: 1.5-liter I4
• Horsepower: 117 HP @ 6600 rpm
• Torque: 106 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
• Transmission: 5-Speed Automatic w/paddles
• Curb Weight: 2,615 lbs
• LxWxH: 161.6" x 66.7" x 60.0"
• Wheelbase: 98.4"
• Tires: 185 / 55 R16 83H
• 0 - 60 mph: 9.0 seconds
• Top Speed: 100 MPH (est)
• EPA Fuel economy city/highway: 27/33 MPG
• NHTSA crash test rating: *****/*****

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Wert Is Wrong: Honda Fit Sport Built For Technogeeks

Ray and I spent a good portion of the morning arguing over the suitability parameters of the 2009 Honda Fit Sport, culminating in him saying, “I iz the decider.” Here’s why he’s wrong.

As with any publication, when we put together a product review, the editorial staff collaborates to develop parts of the overall opinion of the car in question. The staff person driving the car takes an initial stab at the driving experience. Then I, as road test editor, take the lead in helping to refine their position into something resembling English. Often, when I'm driving the car, I'm deciding a lot of what Jalopnik's opinions are. As the head honcho, Ray gets to stick his head in when he feels I’m drastically wrong. To be fair, he’s actually pretty good about this, deferring to my far greater expertise in nearly every instance. This morning he didn’t.

I thought the Fit was a suitable car for both working stiffs and technogeeks; Ray disagreed, saying, “I don't think working stiffs will work with the Fit. And technogeeks? Also a "no" — is the ipod connector digital or just an aux-in jack? Frankly, a full-fledged iPod connector attachment should be the base level for almost any car these days.”

We define “working stiff” as an individual, typically a male, who uses his car for work. These are typically plumbers, construction worker or similar, so a vehicle like the Ford F-150 would be a good example of something suitable for a working stiff.

We define “technogeek” as Brian Lam.

While I’d agree that iPod integration should be included in all cars and isn’t a qualification for becoming a technogeek car, I think it’s the Fit’s lack of gadgets that makes it the perfect car for nerds. You see, the Fit doesn’t feature many gadgets because it doesn’t need them, it is a gadget.

My dictionary defines “gadget” as, “a small mechanical device or tool, especially an ingenious or novel one.” I think that also sums up the Fit. Its flexible interior is so incredibly useful and is wrapped up in a tiny, good-looking package that’s a pleasure to use. Driving the Fit, I get the same feeling that I get from using my SOG PowerAssist multi-tool or my iPod. It’s an ingeniously useful, fun product that defies categorization as just another subcompact.

But Ray doesn’t think so. Why? Bias. Both his own and the bias he assumes exists in the mind of mainstream Americans.

Historically, Americans struggle to perceive utility in small cars, assuming anything smaller than an Escalade is unsuitable for carrying any more than a single resident of San Francisco and possibly, in a pinch, his poodle. But, as the era of cheap gas and universal American affluence comes to an end while simultaneously most of us become city-dwellers, that perception is rapidly disappearing.

As the most progressive auto publication on the planet we need to anticipate changes like that and work to include them in our editorial. We should be telling people that they would probably be happier in a Fit than in a mid-size sedan. Its utility and efficiency also makes it appropriate for working stiffs that don’t have enormous pieces of material to cart around. For that and many other reasons, I felt the Fit deserved five stars. Ray didn’t. He’s wrong.

Wert Is Wrong is a new weekly feature designed to help Jalopnik editorial staff deal better with Der Werter's oppressive OCD control on content, and will rotate between Jalopnik’s editorial staff. Ray will have an opportunity to respond to the criticism in the comments below, just like you have an opportunity to expound on just how wrong he is. He will keep his editing of this feature to a minimum. Mostly just looking for spelling errors that make us look silly.

Sursa: http://jalopnik.com/5143150/wert-is-...or-technogeeks

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Honda Fit dominates Consumer Reports subcompact test



The folks over at Consumer Reports have ranked the Honda Fit Sport top among tested subcompact cars in their March 2009 issue. "We found the new Fit the most practical and enjoyable car in this month's group," says Consumers Union. The world's largest independent consumer product testing organization, who don't claim to be enthusiasts, ran the small Honda against the Suzuki SX4, Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, and Chevrolet Aveo.

Compared to the rest of the group, the Honda Fit Sport 5-speed was the quickest to 60 miles-per-hour (an asphalt-melting 9.2 seconds) and sipped the least amount of fuel during testing (a not too shabby 33 miles-per-gallon overall). The CU testers were pleased with the Honda's versatile and flexible interior, but not with its dismal headlights. Of the five, only the Fit and SX4 were recommended. The Yaris and Aveo scored too low in testing to make the cut, and the Renault-based Versa sedan has proven too unreliable. Better luck next year, guys.

Sursa: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/03/h...bcompact-test/